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Dr. Baskerville may not be able to come on that date due to a schedule conflict.  He is trying to deconflict it and I sincerely hope he comes.  Glenn Sacks hasn't responded since our last email but the general direction of his last responses have been dismissive.  I still want a big time player to arrive as a speaker besides Dr. Klein so I will keep reaching out.

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iowafathers.com doesn't give up. more discussion to follow. a few more phone calls and we might have the Daredevils perform that evening. yeeeehawww!!! Anyone up for the Dixie Chix? yeah, I thought so


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... Anyone up for the Dixie Chix?

 

Uh, no.

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well, ok, I was just asking around. They (Dixie Chics) sounded and looked good on PBS tonite.

 

How about Bob Dylan? We're sure to agree on someone/thing.  B-52's might be a stretch, I can only find them on a CD.

 


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For the syposium I want a heavy hitting speaker but for the straw poll a good ole American stand up performance would be great.  I don't think we can get Toby Keith or Darryl Worley but they would be great.  They come to Baghdad a lot!  Doubt we'll see the Dixie Chicks though they don't seem to like America.

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Bob's Fridge / Hirshfeld, anyone?


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Femi-Nazis in Iowa are in trouble because numerous NCP's are stepping up to the plate allowing me to free up time to spend on legislation and other legal activities, such as the FOIA Request that Iowa just illegally denied. I appreciate your efforts Hawkeye and we WILL turn the "Broken Divorce Industry" around. 

 

 


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If they denied the request then we need to go after their funding.
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Dave Heaton is the former chair of that committee and surely remains on it as the ranking member even if the Dems control it. 

 

Call Dave Heaton!

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well, ok, I was just asking around. They (Dixie Chics) sounded and looked good on PBS tonite.

 

How about Bob Dylan? We're sure to agree on someone/thing.  B-52's might be a stretch, I can only find them on a CD.

 

 

I suppose Pink Floyd is out of the question?

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"I suppose Pink Floyd is out of the question?"

 

umm, yeah... I'm not sure where we'd put their 60+ entourage of semi-trucks and busses.  An acoustic Paul McCartney would fit nicely tho.

 

Any entertainment we may have will depend on cost and availability. I'll be contacting some talent agencies and individual artists to try and put something together. If anyone knows of some Des Moines area entertainment that might be something of a "draw", let me know.


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Dr. Baskerville will attend our rally on the 21st!

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The former Governor Vilsack may like to come to this rally to celebrate the special day he declared.Although it may not be favorable to Dr.Klein.Otherwise Dr.Klein should be invited.

I would also suggest that we bring all our family and maybe the older kids who can come should be there.I also think that we should be able to find some children who have grown up and had been part of parent alienation syndrome speak at this rally.


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Carmelita,

 

I replied to this on the Dr. Baskerville thread. lol!

 

Both, Dr. Klein and Dr. Baskeville are now scheduled. This is going to be one amazing, first of it's kind, conference/rally of parents, non-custodial parents, step-parents, grandparents (who have no rights) and, most likely, some children of all ages, in Iowa.

 

If Governor Vilsack chooses to attend, he would be welcomed warmly.

 

Who knows, maybe some other presidential "candidates" will make an appearance?

 

 


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Hawkeye... your post brought up a question I've been pondering.  The weekend of the rally is also the weekend I have my son, who lives in Des Moines.  I've been wondering what to do with him during the rally, as I'm not sure I want to explain to the ex where I'm going and ask her to keep him.  (DSM is his home and I don't know anyone other than her family and friends)  Is it appropriate to bring a nine year old with me? 


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Have you thought about making any type of fliers, signs, buttons, etc. for the rally?  I know I've not been real active here at IowaFathers.com, but I'd be willing (honored) to put forth the cost of 1000 fliers.

 

 


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The conference/rally/symposium will only be about three hours and the discussion will be about the big issues with appearances by several notables including Dr. Baskerville, Dr. Klein, and perhaps the founder of CNBP Minister Smith.  I would love for an appearance by Tom Vilsack as well and if we have a large turn out I fail to see why he would not appear.

 

You can bring your children but at this point I am not aware of any plans for a separate room for children.  I don't recommend children for this event but if you have visitation and can't get around it or have them with somebody else for this short period please bring them as it will not be inconvenient or innappropriate in any way.  I am sure I will have at least one of my children at this event.

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If I can solicit donations for the fliers or buttons will that be OK.If I can please let me know and I may just have fliers made through my local printer.I just need someone to tell me what needs to be on the flier or the button.I also need to know logos that should be appropriate. Otherwise I can send the donations to whoever will be in charge of the project.Let me know soon.
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Icemountain and all...

 

If I have my 9 yr old son that weekend, he'll definately be with me at the conference/rally/symposium/gathering. If he's not on stage himself, he'll probably be running my video camera  or surfing the net  for a new game  or exploring the Des Moines Civic Center with anyone else's kids and grown ups.  Like most kids his age, he tends to think meet & greets and long winded speakers are bOrInG!!! haha

 

He's known nothing but TWO homes since 2.5 months of age, preferring mine most days... but since a certain court appointed attorney only sees fit to file a motion (and have it automatically granted) re: child support money [fact] and blatenly neglect what is really in the child's best interests re: equal time with both parents who live a mere 5 mins from each other, [fact] I can't say for certain he'll be along at this point in time.

 

The more, the merrier! Bring 'em n!

 

 

 

 


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Bryan...

I registered for the rally/symposium either with the original date or when the date was tentative, should I re-register now that the date has been changed/set?

 

Also, I previously committed to making a 1000 copies of a flier/information sheet/brochure or whatever you might be handing out for informational purposes at the rally, is this something the group can use... or is there another project I could help with?

 

Thanks!

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No, if you have already registered you will not need to do it again.  I'll send an email out to every already registered for the event and make sure they still plan on attending the event.

 

 


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In case you missed it on the main page of IowaFathers.com, the attached mp3 is a Radio Promo for the NCP Rally.

 
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This radio advertisement spot is outstanding! 

I won't be able to attend because I am stuck in Iraq but I am interested in how many times it will play and on what stations.  Without enough airplay this add is meaningless because we have to have penetration.  When people ask what donations are used for they should realize a lot of people showing up for that event will have a shock wave throughout the system.  Furthermore, legislators (don't forget to be at the statehouse Monday with Bryan for SF507) and judges will hear our adds and start to realize how bad they have been discriminating against fathers.  Most important, they will realize light is being shone upon their activities and people act a lot better when watched.

Did we get an a ticket for Pastor Smith yet?  I can do it with air miles if necessary but so far I only got a ticket for Doctor Baskerville. 

I have self-powered speakers and microphones in storage and I think we will need to use them rather than paying the premium prices of the Civil Center for those items.  It will be good practice for the upcoming IA STRAW POLL in case I can't make it for that event - and we absolutely must have the speakers for that as well.
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We have not.  Do you want to use your miles?

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Not a problem, I got that one.
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Great.  I posted this on YouTube to further draw attention to our cause.


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Bryan,

YOu should see if GlennSacks.com can publish this as well.
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I have designed two fliers for the NCP Rally on April 21st. It has been suggested that these be printed on purple paper. Print them on either Purple or White paper. My main goal is just to get the message out. Attached is one that says "Paid for by a member of IowaFathers.com" at the bottom. The other one says "Paid for by IowaFathers.com" at the bottom.

 
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Where do you suggest the signs get posted or left on cars?


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OK, here is the question my husband has....this rally is the weekend his kids will be here for "visitation", and so I wanted to make a weekend of it with the kids, but he is worried that if we bring them to the rally, some things might be said that could stir up problems, especially if they go back and tell their mom what was discussed at the rally.  The only other idea we had was that my 16 yo could stay back at the hotel with the kids while just my husband and I come to the rally.

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I say, no matter what you do you will be accused of being a bad parent.  As a military guy I decided to go for the throat and to stop worrying about the lies others will tell.

I want them to fear what we can do rather than make threats against us.
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Ok, so you think us bringing the kids to the rally would be a good idea?

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I'm bringing my son and I know there are others who are bringing their kids.  I wonder, too, about what they might hear but I'm hoping he won't be paying much attention and maybe he will make some friends to entertain himself with.


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What I am saying is you will be accused of being a bad parent no matter what you do thanks to the way our society views non-custodial parent issues. 

For those reasons I do what I feel is best without regard to the thoughts of my ex-wife.  I care for my children and I pray they understand it is dangerous to have a family in America.  Perhaps their attendance at the event will not be traumatic when one considers DHS wants to give classes to school children about child support - so what is so bad about parents having a symposium about visitation?  Special note, I know the word "visitation" creates issues for many on this website not unlike the term "Deadbeat Dad."  I continue to use the term "Visitation" since it is most descriptive of the limited time NCPs get.
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On the "V" word....I agree.  We use it because that's what it's commonly known as.  I will continue to use it, but put in parenthesis because I don't like the word either.

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The rally is actually for the sake of having equal time with the kids so the kids who can understand will see this rally as a positive thing and I am hoping that in this rally we will talk positive things and not negative things.
I do not see this rally as something the children will see as something against anyone.We will hopefully be talking about subjects that eventually will lead to promoting the best interest of the children so bring the children and let them understand our goal and let them realize what this rally is all about them.It is all about them.

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I agree!  I will try to encourage my husband to be there WITH the kids...

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This is the reason we havn't registered yet. We are not sure we want to take 4 kids there with us. I thought of having my oldest watch the younger ones, but we ususally only do that if the younger ones are asleep. 
 It's too bad that there isn't an extra room, that the kids could all go into and play in, and do things like color or watch tv, with supervision of course. I have seen this done at other conferences, where you had to sign the child in and then out, with the child not being allowed to leave the room unless checked out by the parent.

Any other ideas?

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MyAngels4, I say just bring them.  I talked to my husband about this tonight, and the whole thing is only going to last three hours.  How young is the youngest one?

The more kids there, the better I say.  I am bringing my camera and intend to take a LOT of pictures!  We need a gallery on this site to post pics on.
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My sincerest apologies for not being able to get there for the conference but I must reiterate we need as many people there as possible.

A small showing will be depressing and send the wrong signals to those watching us.
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JudyChat... please, please, please... extract the word "visitation" from your vocabulary.

I don't want, and I'm certain my 10 yr old son does NOT want me to be just a visitor... only prisioners and dead people get "visitation".

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Blame me for using that rather offensive word.  Honestly, it doesn't bother me but the underlying situation certainly does.

OH, I talked with Bryan and he authorized me to get another autodialer for the CB campaign against Mikey Gronstal.

Now, we need to get the one going in CR with Hawkeye so we are building in three cities at the same time!
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I would suggest that we do whatever we need to do to get the word out about the rally. Post the fliers, leave on cars and whatever is legal for us to get the word out.
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We need to advertise it on the radio which means money.

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I'll do an email blast again today.


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It will take more than email.  I suggest we buy at least $1000 in radio adds with the help of Richard Farr as he gets good rates since he is in the "Biz."  If we don't advertise in DSM we will have a low attendance which will not get the attention of the news not to mention wasting the time of our esteemed guests.

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If 100 members donate $10 then we will have the radio adds paid for. My $10 will be in the mail in the morning so we need 99 more donations.


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I tell you what...

If we get $700 donated I will finish the last $300 myself.

We don't have a lot of time though.
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Non-custodial parents networking together to make a difference!

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

On Saturday, April 21, 2007, we are holding our first ever Non-Custodial Parents Rally in Des Moines in observance of Parental Alienation Awareness Day, which is April 25th. Our guest speakers include Presidential candidate Dr. Mark Klein, Stephen Baskerville, PhD, the president of American Coalition for Fathers and Children (ACFC), Dick Woods of Fathers for Equal Rights, Pastor Ron Smith of Children Need Both Parents, Inc (Chicago, IL), among others. The event is being held from noon until 3:00 p.m. at the Civic Center of Greater Des Moines, 227 Walnut St., Des Moines, Iowa, 50309-2104.

Meet and Greet:

Dr. Mark Klein

The only Presidential Candidate who has established a platform calling for federal legislation mandating a rebuttable presumption of joint physical care.

Dick Woods

Executive Director of Fathers for Equal Rights.

Pastor Ron Smith

President of Children Need Both Parents, Inc.

Organizer of the Million Man March in

Washington D.C. in August of 2007.

Dr. Stephen Baskerville

President of American Coalition of Fathers and Children (ACFC) and renown author on the subject of children and divorce.

  
  

Given the complexity of our issues within our movement, it is critical you attend this event!  It should be noted that Fox News has expressed interest in covering this event and may be interviewing non-custodial parents for some personal stories. If you have not already done so, please click on the following link to register for this event:    http://www.iowafathers.com/ncp_rally_registration.htm 

We look forward to meeting with you and discussing the direction of our movement!  Please forward this email to everyone in your address book.

Sincerely,

The IowaFathers.com Board

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bulletMatt Weichers
bulletRobert Lisk

 
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Last updated: March 28, 2007.


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