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I am returning to court in order to modify my divorce decree.  Part of the requirement as everyone knows is to take the mandatory "Children In The Middle" Course.

I came across a website that claims to offer this course online (which frankly is long overdue).  I've seen it referenced on several authoritative websites as being court-approved (for those interested, the website is http://www.puttingkidsfirst.org/)

My question is:  has anyone ever taken this course and submitted it? I'm assuming that the correct course is the "Co-Parenting" course.

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No, and to be quite honest, I see this as just one more way to keep parents from interacting with one another.  If they don't have to show up and take the class, and they can just do it online, who's to say they actually "took" the course?

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You receive a certificate of completion taking it online.

In my case, I had to go to court to modify my divorce decree because my ex was not complying with agreed-upon terms.  The "Children In The Middle" course isn't something that parents take together anyway, although I agree that they should.

An online option is excellent for those of us who both have an ex that refuses to do things together.  It's also excellent so that you don't have to burn a weekend day or weeknight with travel, parking, waiting around, course time, etc.
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I am very familiar with what Children in the Middle is.  I already think it's a total joke due to the fact that even though the parents are required to take the course, the principles spoken of (namely-children benefit from MAXIMUM time with BOTH parents) are not even given consideration by the courts, or by the attorneys when trying to negotiate.  Further distancing the parents from accountability by not requiring them to "show up" to class is just another step in the wrong direction in my opinion.  But, that's just my opinion and that's all it is.

I understand that a certificate of completion is given for taking it online, but what does taking it online amount to?
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Taking it online amounts to the same as taking it at one of the locations around Iowa.

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Taking the class at one of the locations around Iowa amounts to watching a short video, listening to a speaker, and being give some handouts.  There is time for parents to ask questions, but that's it.  No tests when it's done, just have them sign your paper and you're outta there.

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All it is is another way to make money off the divorce industry, they preach don't bad mouth the other parrent, but they never enforce what they preach. So it is just another way to get into your wallet.


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I agree the children in the middle class is really not that effective and usually just adds more cost to the endless legal fees and bills, I'm all for an online version, since it seems really just as practicle as sitting in a room with people you don't know for four hours. I actually requested that the judge waive the required children in the middle class, when my ex took me to court for custody, because I explained that we both knew the information and that since he did not want to comprimise or follow any of the suggestions from the class, the class was therfore futile. The judge waived, the class. So we didn't have to go to it again.


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It's also another way for lawyers to advertise their "practice"* Here's a plug for one in Iowa on their "recomended attorneys" page. Anyone familiar with this one in Des Moines?

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Babich, Goldman, Cashatt & Renzo, P.C.
Leslie Babich
100 Court Ave Ste 403
Des Moines IA 50309-2200
Phone: 515-244-4300
Fax: 515-244-2650

 
*I guess they call it a "practice" because they still can't get it right.

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*I guess they call it a "practice" because they still can't get it right.


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The class is a total joke!!!  Last time, I figured why not talk and educate the people there about the system.  The instructors clearly didn't like me and they had no argument to combat the truth. Towards the end, people were asking me questions and not the instructors.


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I've taken it twice at the Mercy Franklin Center in Des Moines.  They usually have decent donuts and cookies.


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Children in the Middle is as one sided as the Family Court with both being a big joke!!


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I think Brian had a good idea. Use the class as a forum to educate all the unkowing victoms what is about to happen to them and to get the word about Iowafathers out to the people. The class itself is a joke trying to program people into paying their support and following the bogus court order, but it would be a great recuitment place.


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I guess you can say you only get out of the class what you put into it. The first time around for me it was a joke, mainly due to the fact I didn't want to take it. The second time I got a lot out of the class. The people in the class taking it for the first time asked some really good questions and we had a good question and answer period. Sometimes I guess you need to take it more then once and then share your story and others can help you with any questions you might have. I guess you just need to keep an open mind while in the class.

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It may depend on the instructor. The one that did ours was very anti NCP.


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I have done this in Cali, MO and now IA. I went in Coralville. It was OK. The only thing is that they tell all this stuff that common sense already told me and it's the mother that is secreting the child and doing everything they say not too, but the court lets it slide.

I had already written to the court all that the ex does that they are supposed to know is bad (according to this class) but they don't seem to.

If interested I found a good class on the web that came with  a 70 page book and was accepted in Missouri. Iowa is a "compact" state so maybe it will pass. You will need to ask the court.
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 They usually have decent donuts and cookies.

LOL...They better given the price! 

I've taken it twice myself and both times it was a complete waste of time. The first time I gave it an honest chance. The second time after quickly getting bored, I said its time to educate individuals and make the class go by quicker.  I refuse to take the class again.



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It's also another way for lawyers to advertise their "practice"* Here's a plug for one in Iowa on their "recomended attorneys" page. Anyone familiar with this one in Des Moines?

Iowa

Babich, Goldman, Cashatt & Renzo, P.C.
Leslie Babich
100 Court Ave Ste 403
Des Moines IA 50309-2200
Phone: 515-244-4300
Fax: 515-244-2650

 
*I guess they call it a "practice" because they
 
 
It's a well known fact in the legal circles of the Des Moines Metro area he is all about racking up the legal fees, keeping the case going as long as possible.
 
I have not met one individual who either was a client or went against him who did not say the same thing. In fact, I have had three family law attorneys tell me this as well.


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BOGUS... in a word, and that's the word for now. 

Another attempt at a crock that the feminzaZis just can't figure out.

Maybe they're burning thier bras lol....



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nấm linh chi hàn quốc hay nấm linh chi là Địa chỉ nấm linh chi đỏ tại Hà Nội một loại thuốc quý đến Địa chỉ nấm linh chi đỏ tại TP HCM từ thiên nhiên có công dụng Cửa hàng nấm linh chi đỏ tại Hà Nội rất lớn trong việc phục hồi sức khỏe Cửa hàng nấm linh chi đỏ tại TP HCM và hỗ trợ chữa rất nhiều căn bệnh. Vì công dụng cũng như dược tính của minh mà nấm linh chi còn Nơi bán nấm linh chi đỏ tại Hà Nội có một số tên gọi khác như vạn niên thảo Nơi bán nấm linh chi đỏ tại TP HCM, thần tiên thảo, nấm trường thọ, cỏ huyền diệu…
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