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I saw Bryan is going to apply for a position. I wonder what Maja Rater will do when Bryan starts confronting her Nazi *ass* in these meetings...lol.

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maja is a moron. She claims to be a feminists yet she insists a womans place is in the home out of the workforce raising the kids. Why is this her veiw? Not because she actually cares about children, but because she wants to be able to make her exes life a living hell and gain financually while doing so, after all she needs the money to pay off all of the judgments against herself. Any true feminist would be appalled at what she says and would be appalled at the system we have in place.


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From what I understand, there are already tax benefits for health insurance, there are already credits for second families, yet we have a hard time getting those credits due to the voluntary reduction rule that gets blown out of proportion. I'm not sure what "Income Shares" are. I'd be interested in learning more about that.


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Food for thought...found this on the following website - sound economic study...???
 
http://www.guidelineeconomics.com/index.html
 
 
Underlying Assumptions of Income Shares Child Support Guidelines
  • The household is intact.
  • The custodial parent cares for the children 100 percent of the time and the non-custodial parent has no parenting time or costs.
  • There is additional income when a child is added to the family: additional income to bring the standard of living back to its previous level.
  • Tax benefits attributable to the children are not cost offsets; are not negative costs.
  • For Engel-Espenshade based Income Shares guidelines, the best method of estimating child costs is to compare household consumption percentages of food (just food) before and after having an additional child.
  • For Betson-Rothbarth based Income Shares guidelines, the best method of estimating child costs is to compare household consumption levels of alcohol, tobacco, and adult clothing before and after having an additional child. For Rothbarth Income shares versions implemented after 2001, the comparison is with just adult clothing.


To Rebut an Income Shares Presumptive Award

One would show or argue:

  • The family is no longer intact but the cost tables assume the family is intact. Both parents must incur adult overhead living expenses (mortgage or rent, utilities, car note, etc.) that are no longer shared, thereby reducing funds available to spend on other goods-including goods for children.
  • There is no "phantom income" as assumed by the income shares methodology beyond what the parents actually earn. The guideline cost table assumption should be rebutted because the cost table is based on significantly more income than the parents earn at any given cost level. The parents do not earn what the cost table assumes.
  • The child-related tax benefit is significant and is a cost offset that should be recognized in the child support determination. Income Shares includes the after-tax income from the tax benefits when deriving the cost tables but does not treat the benefits as a cost offset when allocating the costs between the parents.
  • The non-custodial parent has (n) percent of the total parenting time, while the cost tables assume the non-custodial parent has no parenting time. Equal duty of support standards require that the custodial parent share the non-custodial parent's child costs.
  • Adult consumption patterns (of food in an Espenshade-Engel Income Shares state, or of alcohol, tobacco, and adult clothing in a Betson-Rothbarth Income Shares state, or just adult clothing for the most recent Rothbarth tables) bear no relationship to the instant case and that a better methodology is to examine actual expenditures on children.

One should provide an alternative to the presumptive award. Guideline Economics offers and uses the COSTshares model to derive one that is based on appropriate economic assumptions and principles. Show that the difference between the presumptive award and the cost-based award (including tax benefits as cost offsets) would provide the custodial parent with a profit of $______ above the actual costs of raising the child(ren). Show the dramatic difference in after-tax, after-child support income for each of the parents for the presumptive award and for the COSTshares award, and then assert that the presumptive award is unjust and economically inappropriate.


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Bryan, am I understanding correctly, that you are trying to get onto the child support advisory committee?

I hope so, and I hope you succeed, even if we cannot remove Maja from her post I think having a tough rival, will help put some reigns on her attitude.



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I've made the request to be put on the Child Support Advisory Committee with both Chief Justice Ternus and Gov. Culver.  I heard back from Rebbecca Colton, top aide to the Chief Justice and apparently they do not make any recommendations to this board. 

I'm still awaiting word from Culver but nobody in the state thus far seems to be able to tell me how these people get appointed.  I contacted Vilsack's Office last year and never found out how they were appointed.

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I am sure Dick Woods knows how he got appointed so this is an opportunity for him to reach out to us.


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Date:Sat, 26 May 2007 16:25:52 -0700 (PDT)
From:"IowaFathers.com" support@iowafathers.com
Subject:ICSAC
To:"Dick Woods"
   

Dick,
 
Would you please be willing to educate me on the process for being appointed to the Iowa Child Support Advisory Committee?   Where do I apply?  Who makes the final determination?
 
Upon examining Iowa Statute 252B.18 and the current Iowa Child Support Advisory Committee members, it appears they have only one candidate, you Mr. Woods, who is representing the interests of non-custodial parents.  Such discrepancy, is in direct violation of the purpose of the statute.
 
I look forward to hearing a response!  Thanks in advance for your efforts.
 
Sincerely,
Bryan Iehl
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P.O. Box 2884
Waterloo, IA  50704-2884

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"Political reasons have not the requisite certainty to afford juridical interpretation. They are different in different men. They are different in the same men at different times. And when a strict interpretation of the Constitution, according to the fixed rules which govern the interpretation of laws, is abandoned, and the theoretical opinions of individuals are allowed to control its meaning, we have no longer a Constitution; we are under a government of individual men, who for the time being have the power to declare what the Constitution is, according to their own views of that it ought to mean." Dred Scott v.Sanford, 19 How. 393, 620 (1857) (Curtis, J., dissenting).
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I hope Dick checks his email as one of his weaknesses is technology.  I love the guy but I can count on my hand the number of emails he's sent me in ten years.

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The following is an email from an unknown sender, it is a response to the original e-mail I sent Maja Rater (the original email is on this thread) Maja has been sharing my e-mails with others too so I figured I put this one on here. Notice in the email the sender concentrates mostly on my name and gender, and spelling but not so much on the issue at hand. By the way Iron Eagle is an Indian name for those of you who might be wondering.
 
 
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: Your Story

Erin,
  I am going to assume that this a female...hard to tell! Your vicious words, your cruel statements and your lack of knowledge lead me to believe that you have nothing to do with your time but scour the internet and look for trouble. Also, if you have just acquired your ID, it is apparent you have also just acquired your anger. IRON EAGLE ?  Really,,,,,
  If you had an ounce of the strength that Maja has to have gotten thru her many years with a family that lacked support from their father.  It is truly a shame that you don't read her story carefully and see her side. When a man father's children and then refuses to assist in raising them, so strongly he would go to jail, not once, but twice, rather than stand up like a man. Pitiful.  As for laws you refer to as being "so-called" again you show your ignorance. This system, and country is so lacking of, people that will stand up for their rights, and those of you that ridicule them for doing so, are just as lazy as the politicians who make the promises and then forget who they represent.  Try Spell Check !
Happy Mother's Day to your Mother, sad but true, you have one. How will you show her your gratitude?



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Erin,

As a woman you are clearly having an effect on those like Maja.  By the way, I am pretty sure was Maja and not another anonynmous member of her group.  She truly is a group of one and while she does have cohorts, she is one of a kind and easy to spot.
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Yeah, it sounds like it's Maja. I haven't gotten any angry e-mails, and that's fine. It probably does tick her off that you're a woman and on this side of the argument. What the author of your e-mail doesn't understand is that there are two sides to every story. Let's say Maja is right and Otho just ran off. Let's just assume she's right and he is one of those parents that are true deadbeats. There are some out there. Why dies she have to make it hell on those of us who are not? I do know that child support could care less about collecting child support for those CP's who are not on welfare and that is a shame as it encourages parents to be on and stay on welfare. Yes, there are some parents who don't want to be a part of their children's lives. There are those parents that are as bad as Maja claims. However, we are being lumped in with them and it's sickening. My wife voluntarily paid her child support. She just had a mandatory witholding order slapped on her like a deadbeat and that's not right.


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It's the same sob story they've been using for years. Drive the father off then complain when he's gone. I'd bet dollars to toothpicks that if he had been allowed to Maja's ex would have been a part of the chidrens lives. If the child support would have been reasonable it would have been paid. Maja's vindictiveness robed her children of their father just as many CPs vindictiveness rob children every day, and the courts aid and abet them. Once someone is in a hole so deep they can't get out whats the use in trying? Why should someone have to pay for their exes lifestyle? Her grown children refuse to talk to their father so why should they have a claim to his money? The tide is turning and people like her are being seen for what they are.


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I'm no supporter of Maja, but we need to stick to the facts and to the truth if we expect to be taken as credible. The fact is, we don't know what the story is with Maja's ex. We assume that she drove him off, and for good reason by her own actions and words. Has anyone ever really tried to get ahold of Otho to get his side of the story? I'm serious here. Let's say Maja did drive the old boy off, then wouldn't it be better if we had his side of the story? One thing that never is discussed here are those parents that choose to walk away and to shirk their responsibility. It is because of them that the system is set up like it is. It's their fault that we are demonized so. That's my argument. We are lumped in with true and real "deadbeats" and that is not the right way to handle this. While there are a few real deadbeats, there also are a few real deadbeat CP's too. Maja doesn't address them. Maybe if Maja acknowledged their existence, and we the existence of real deadbeat NCP's, then we can start to work towards a real solution. Maja seems too fanatical at present to acknowledge that. I feel like we are having our own Israeli-Palestinian sort of feud.


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I think I made it clear that it was speculation when I said I'd bet dollars to toothpicks. Sorry.


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Eric,

As one who has commented on venomous posts, your stance and taking of the higher road is commendable.  Great post, great attitude, and I personally believe you're correct.  We won't get anywhere without keeping our efforts within the facts.

Personally, I don't think the extreme feminists are taken seriously either.  I think more so that there are the quiet feminists who hold quiet meetings in an intelligent manner who are the ones who push their agendas through.  But, I've been wrong plenty of times before. 

Kudos Eric!!  Thanks!!
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On Maja's webpage she stated that she left her husband, but I went back to her site and it looks as though, after I e-mailed her, she edited the information on the site and omitted some of her original story.


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That is funny! 

Her story is being checking and she realizes she is being watched.
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That is funny! 

I contacted the Bureau of Collections yesterday about getting on the Child Support Advisory Committee established under 252B.18 to challenge Maja Rater and her false claims. The Bureau knew exactly who I was and even started spelling my last name...lol.

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So, what did they say?


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Yeah, I am really anxious to hear what they told you on that, Bryan!  I think it would be so awesome if you were on that committee.  You would be great!

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Yeah let us know!


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