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Public Hearings to set Child Support Guidelines
January 20, 2011
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Greetings!
 
Below is a letter regarding a limited number of Public Hearings to set Child Support Guidelines throughout Iowa.

IowaFathers has representation on the Child Support Advisory Committee.  However, in order to be more effective in influencing change, member participation is required!

This is an opportunity for members, who feel wronged by the child support system, to address the concerns they have about the child support system and to make recommendations for change.

IowaFathers is asking every member to attend the closest meeting to you and to submit changes in writing that you would like to see made. Speaking time will be limited so the importance of writing your suggested changes has never been more important.

More information is soon to follow including a list of suggestions for members to address.

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TERRY E. BRANSTAD, GOVERNOR                                                                             DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES

KIM REYNOLDS, LT. GOVERNOR                                                                           CHARLES M. PALMER, DIRECTOR


 

 

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January 19, 2011                                                    Roger Munns (515) 281-4848

 

Public Hearings to set Child Support Guidelines

DES MOINES, Iowa - Three public hearings have been set to gather input on setting guidelines for establishing court-ordered child support payments to custodial parents.

The Iowa Child Support Advisory Committee will hold public hearings in Carroll, Marion, and Des Moines to solicit comments on revising the Iowa Supreme Court's Child Support Guidelines.  Recommendations will be sent to the court, which reviews the guidelines every four years.

The current guidelines may be found at:  https://secureapp.dhs.state.ia.us/childsupport/includes/PDFfiles/Court%20Rules.pdf

The public hearings will be: 

·         Thursday, Feb. 3, 5:30-7:30 p.m. at the Marion Public Library, 1095 Sixth Ave, Marion, Room A/B .  

·         Tuesday, Feb.15, 5:30-7:30 p.m. at the Des Moines Public Library East, 2559 Hubbell Ave, Des Moines.

·         Thursday, March 3, 5:30-7:30 p.m. at the Swan House, 1024 E 12th St, Carroll.

In addition to the public hearings, written comments may be submitted to the Child Support Advisory Committee, 400 SW 8th Street, Suite H, Des Moines, IA  50309-4633.  Written comments must be received by March 3.

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Editors: Members of the Iowa Child Support Advisory Committee are  Barbara Van Allen, Des Moines; Christopher Robinson, Des Moines; David Jungmann, Greenfield; Dick Woods, Ames; Dodie Bauman, Johnston; Evelyn Ocheltree, Mason City; Eliza Ovrom, Des Moines; Fred Scaletta, Des Moines; Kathy Mika, Indianola; Greg Hughes, Cedar Rapids; Maja Rater, Casey; Suzanne Overton, West Des Moines; Tina Meth Farrington, Rockwell City; Debra Moore, Des Moines; Ako Abdul-Samad, Des Moines; Brad Zaun, Urbandale.


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"Political reasons have not the requisite certainty to afford juridical interpretation. They are different in different men. They are different in the same men at different times. And when a strict interpretation of the Constitution, according to the fixed rules which govern the interpretation of laws, is abandoned, and the theoretical opinions of individuals are allowed to control its meaning, we have no longer a Constitution; we are under a government of individual men, who for the time being have the power to declare what the Constitution is, according to their own views of that it ought to mean." Dred Scott v.Sanford, 19 How. 393, 620 (1857) (Curtis, J., dissenting).
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I plan on attending the marion meetings


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Great!  There is no excuse for members to at bare minimum, send a letter with recommendations for change.

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"Political reasons have not the requisite certainty to afford juridical interpretation. They are different in different men. They are different in the same men at different times. And when a strict interpretation of the Constitution, according to the fixed rules which govern the interpretation of laws, is abandoned, and the theoretical opinions of individuals are allowed to control its meaning, we have no longer a Constitution; we are under a government of individual men, who for the time being have the power to declare what the Constitution is, according to their own views of that it ought to mean." Dred Scott v.Sanford, 19 How. 393, 620 (1857) (Curtis, J., dissenting).
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Any recommendations yet ?  Also, due to difficulties with a few programs on my computer, I am unable to open the site to view the guidelines - if anyone could send me and/or post this in another format - much appreciated. Thanks.

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Here is a different file format of the Child Support Guidelines.

 
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"Political reasons have not the requisite certainty to afford juridical interpretation. They are different in different men. They are different in the same men at different times. And when a strict interpretation of the Constitution, according to the fixed rules which govern the interpretation of laws, is abandoned, and the theoretical opinions of individuals are allowed to control its meaning, we have no longer a Constitution; we are under a government of individual men, who for the time being have the power to declare what the Constitution is, according to their own views of that it ought to mean." Dred Scott v.Sanford, 19 How. 393, 620 (1857) (Curtis, J., dissenting).

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Thank You Bryan, and also Thanks for all you continue to do for all of us !!

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For the purpose of this credit, "days" means overnights spent caring for the child.

 
There are so many situations where non-custodial parents feed, clothe, and raise their child, or children, yet....it comes down to that overnight as to whether or not it counts in relation to child support calculations. That could mean quite a few credits when considering how often it happens throughout the year. (if it occurs twice a month, that's 24 credits a year) 

If you have your child for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and you pay for everything else in between, why should the credit go to the parent who only has the child, or children, for a few hours? (i.e.  NCP has child for 20 hours and cares for the child through breakfast, lunch and dinner.  CP gets child for the remaining 4 hours of the day, and since child stays overnight with CP, CP gets the credit.) 

   


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I will be at the Marion meeting also.  I should get another email blast out by tomorrow with some examples of topics for discussion along with an email address so members can email concerns to Greg Hughes and Matt Weichers, our representation of the Child Support Advisory Committee.

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"Political reasons have not the requisite certainty to afford juridical interpretation. They are different in different men. They are different in the same men at different times. And when a strict interpretation of the Constitution, according to the fixed rules which govern the interpretation of laws, is abandoned, and the theoretical opinions of individuals are allowed to control its meaning, we have no longer a Constitution; we are under a government of individual men, who for the time being have the power to declare what the Constitution is, according to their own views of that it ought to mean." Dred Scott v.Sanford, 19 How. 393, 620 (1857) (Curtis, J., dissenting).
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January 26, 2011
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Greetings!

 

The public hearings on the new child support guidelines are approaching quickly. We must flood the meetings with members and/or send letters of suggestion in order to impact change.  We are only afforded this opportunity once every four (4) years so member participation is critical.  Without thousands of participants at these meetings and letters suggesting change, we have only ourselves to blame for the inequities in the child support system!
 

 

The public hearings will be:

 

   * Thursday, Feb. 3, 5:30-7:30 p.m. at the Marion Public Library, 1095 Sixth

Ave, Marion, Room A/B .

 

   * Tuesday, Feb.15, 5:30-7:30 p.m. at the Des Moines Public Library East,

2559 Hubbell Ave, Des Moines.

 

   * Thursday, March 3, 5:30-7:30 p.m. at the Swan House, 1024 E 12th St, Carroll.

 

In addition to the public hearings, written comments may be submitted to the Child Support Advisory Committee, 400 SW 8th Street, Suite H, Des Moines, IA 50309-4633. Written comments must be received by March 3.

 

You may also email your suggestions to Matt Weichers at matt@IowaFathers.com, or Greg Hughes, who serves as co-chair to the Child Support Advisory Committee at blackbelthughes@yahoo.com.

 

You may also call Greg Hughes at 319-431-5640 with any questions or concerns.

 

Here is a tentative list of ideas to address regarding changes to the child support guidelines:

 

    * The Child Support Recovery Unit initiating a modification of child support every two years creates conflict and is not in "the best interest of the child."  This should occur only as frequently as the Child Support Guidelines are reviewed, which is every four years.

 

    * The amount of time to modify a child support order should be the exact same regardless if an increase or a decrease in the child support obligation is the underlying issue. At minimum at layoff or economic distress clause should be implemented to ensure a hearing within 30 days of notice.

 

    * The post-secondary educational requirement should be removed as it is unconstitutional. It violates the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment by requiring divorce or separated parents to pay post-secondary expenses while not requiring married parents to pay post-secondary expenses.  Furthermore, a child is defined in Iowa Code 598 as, "any person under legal age," thus it really isn't a form of child support but rather it's adult support.

 

    *  Medical support should either 1) be totally eliminated for the same reasons Obama Care is being challenged or 2) be 100% deductible from the child support obligation.

 

    * Travel expenses should 1) be a deduction from a child support obligation when a parent relocates more than 150 miles or 2) a requirement put in place mandating relocating parent is responsible for travel expenses in advance of travel dates.

 

    * There must be some form of accountability on how child support monies are spent on the child(ren).

 

    * A new equitable formula should be adopted based upon the actual costs to raise children. Perhaps similar to the one adopted by the Social Security regarding dependents?

 

    * The Supreme Court of Iowa should relinquish the duties of establishing and maintaining the Child Support Guidelines to the Iowa Legislature.


I close with this;  Legal action may be inevitable given the numerous amount of inequities with the current child support system.  Those who actively participate and seek redress (the process provides limited redress at best) through these public hearings will be afforded the first opportunity to participate should legal action be required.


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Mike Wiser | Posted: Tuesday, February 1, 2011 2:00 am

                       

DES MOINES — Bryan Iehl believes Iowa’s child support system is fixed against people like him.

       

That’s why the divorced father of an 11-year-old and founder of IowaFathers will be paying close attention to what begins this week.

       

That’s when the Iowa Child Support Advisory Commission will hold a town hall meeting in Marion to solicit ideas on what changes, if any, need to be made to the guidelines judges follow when they order child support payments.

http://qctimes.com/news/local/article_0a53539a-2db9-11e0-815c-001cc4c002e0.html

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"Political reasons have not the requisite certainty to afford juridical interpretation. They are different in different men. They are different in the same men at different times. And when a strict interpretation of the Constitution, according to the fixed rules which govern the interpretation of laws, is abandoned, and the theoretical opinions of individuals are allowed to control its meaning, we have no longer a Constitution; we are under a government of individual men, who for the time being have the power to declare what the Constitution is, according to their own views of that it ought to mean." Dred Scott v.Sanford, 19 How. 393, 620 (1857) (Curtis, J., dissenting).
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Iowa is in a recession with high unemployment rates and reduced incomes so what does the Child Support Recovery Unit (CSRU) want to do? Raise child support based upon the minority (those paying the bare minimum). The CSRU is a typical bureaucratic governmental agency showing they only care about self-preservation.
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"Political reasons have not the requisite certainty to afford juridical interpretation. They are different in different men. They are different in the same men at different times. And when a strict interpretation of the Constitution, according to the fixed rules which govern the interpretation of laws, is abandoned, and the theoretical opinions of individuals are allowed to control its meaning, we have no longer a Constitution; we are under a government of individual men, who for the time being have the power to declare what the Constitution is, according to their own views of that it ought to mean." Dred Scott v.Sanford, 19 How. 393, 620 (1857) (Curtis, J., dissenting).
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That doesn't surprise you does it!?

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Nope, I'm not surprised. 

However, if members and concerned citizens don't take this opportunity to express their concerns with the child support system, ncp's have nobody to blame other than themselves!!!

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"Political reasons have not the requisite certainty to afford juridical interpretation. They are different in different men. They are different in the same men at different times. And when a strict interpretation of the Constitution, according to the fixed rules which govern the interpretation of laws, is abandoned, and the theoretical opinions of individuals are allowed to control its meaning, we have no longer a Constitution; we are under a government of individual men, who for the time being have the power to declare what the Constitution is, according to their own views of that it ought to mean." Dred Scott v.Sanford, 19 How. 393, 620 (1857) (Curtis, J., dissenting).
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are there any kind of carpool plans to Marion for the Hearing?
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                        Hello,

 

I want to thank everyone who attended the first public hearing on the child support guidelines in Marion. Participants did an excellent job in voicing their concerns and making suggestions for change. 

 

In my opinion, the overall theme of the participants was as follows:  

  1. The child support guidelines are set too high.
  2. Overtime should not be included in setting the child support amount
  3. Modifications take too long, especially when they are initiated due to economic conditions. 
  4. There needs to be some accountability regarding how child support is allocated towards the children. 

Child Support Committee Meeting Reminder:

 

The following meetings remain for members to voice concerns with the current child support guidelines.  Greg Hughes and Matt Weichers will be present on the committee.  I will be present in the audience.  I look forward to seeing everyone there!    

 

   * Tuesday, Feb.15, 5:30-7:30 p.m. at the Des Moines Public Library East, 2559 Hubbell Ave, Des Moines.

 

   * Thursday, March 3, 5:30-7:30 p.m. at the Swan House, 1024 E 12th St, Carroll.

 

In addition to the public hearings, written comments may be submitted to the Child Support Advisory Committee, 400 SW 8th Street, Suite H, Des Moines, IA 50309-4633. Written comments must be received by March 3.

 

You may also email your suggestions to Matt Weichers at matt@IowaFathers.com, or Greg Hughes, who serves as co-chair to the Child Support Advisory Committee at blackbelthughes@yahoo.com.

 

You may also call Greg Hughes at 319-431-5640 with any questions or concerns.

 


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"Political reasons have not the requisite certainty to afford juridical interpretation. They are different in different men. They are different in the same men at different times. And when a strict interpretation of the Constitution, according to the fixed rules which govern the interpretation of laws, is abandoned, and the theoretical opinions of individuals are allowed to control its meaning, we have no longer a Constitution; we are under a government of individual men, who for the time being have the power to declare what the Constitution is, according to their own views of that it ought to mean." Dred Scott v.Sanford, 19 How. 393, 620 (1857) (Curtis, J., dissenting).
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Bryan, was there any discussion at all regarding health insurance ?

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The Marion meeting would have been fine. It was conducted maturely from both sides. It would be a matter of keeping her entertained for two hours while things were discussed.

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I cannot recall if health insurance was mentioned or not at the meeting in Marion.  I address it in my letter to the committee.

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"Political reasons have not the requisite certainty to afford juridical interpretation. They are different in different men. They are different in the same men at different times. And when a strict interpretation of the Constitution, according to the fixed rules which govern the interpretation of laws, is abandoned, and the theoretical opinions of individuals are allowed to control its meaning, we have no longer a Constitution; we are under a government of individual men, who for the time being have the power to declare what the Constitution is, according to their own views of that it ought to mean." Dred Scott v.Sanford, 19 How. 393, 620 (1857) (Curtis, J., dissenting).
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Just a word to the wise - when going through this process, whether it be the 1st or subsequent time = I'd advise to really read over the guidelines carefully to review their calculations. In our case, the CSRU & Assistant Attorney General made 4 revisions to the child support obligation before they got it right = one of which our attorney caught at the end.
And, now as I review the order - Mom never even sent in her financial information, don't know where they got it from ?
  And I am strongly in hopes that they will decide to somehow manage the healthcare deductions differently or ?  Seems like over half the wording in the worksheet is geared towards this. I guess we feel wronged by this for a few different reasons - and if you feel the need to judge, feel free. But my grand-daughter and her Mom fully qualify for the low-income medical program in Iowa, Hawki and/or IaMa. However, since she refuses to apply, my son pays nearly $600 in child-support for one child. Not to mention the numerous medical and dental bills she has never paid her part on - he has paid. Where's the fairness in all this ? The CSRU wants our money and whatever it can get.
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Here is a link to the Des Moines Register's article covering last night's meeting held in Des Moines:

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20110216/NEWS10/102160360/State-panel-urged-to-alter-rules-for-child-support

Kudos to those who were in attendance and to those that have submitted their written comments and suggestions.

There is only one more meeting remaining.  If you cannot attend, please submit your comments and suggestions in writing.  If you desire change, your participation is essential!

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Just an "fyi", when looking at the names on the advisory committee in the newspaper article - there it states that both Ako Abdul-Samad from Des Moines and Brad Zahn from Urbandale are state representative and state senator (respectively). E-Mail them ?

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Best thing I did was attend the Des Moines and will be at the Carroll Meeting as well.


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I look forward to seeing everyone at the meeting in Carroll.

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"Political reasons have not the requisite certainty to afford juridical interpretation. They are different in different men. They are different in the same men at different times. And when a strict interpretation of the Constitution, according to the fixed rules which govern the interpretation of laws, is abandoned, and the theoretical opinions of individuals are allowed to control its meaning, we have no longer a Constitution; we are under a government of individual men, who for the time being have the power to declare what the Constitution is, according to their own views of that it ought to mean." Dred Scott v.Sanford, 19 How. 393, 620 (1857) (Curtis, J., dissenting).
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