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CRYROSE

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stepfather abuse his two step kids did not abuse his own 2 kids that are also in the home.
He was charged with 4 counts on the step kids. He plead guilty to 2 counts and they dropped the other 2. He has 2 years probation and an no contact order with the step kids till 5/2009.

But dhs/cpi is holding meeting at the home with the step kids and step father. When did dhs/cpi become more powerful that a JUDGE?

What can the Bio-father of one child do to stop this or can we.

Ps the mom (cp) has asked Dhs/cpi if the step father can take the one step child to a boy scout camp in Aug 2007. can we stop this too?

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unfortunatly the abusive step father has more rights to the child then the caring loving father. Good luck.


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You could file for an Emergency Injunction from the Court.  You will probably need to obtain a lawyer.


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This is about family reunification. That is what DHS is doing now with the supervised meetings. This is  GOOD THING for your children. DHS will observe the interaction between the stepfather and the children. They will help facilitate better communication skills and help them build a better relationship.

This will also include issues between your ex and him and your ex, him, and his bio children. It will include your bio children. This is therapeutic intervention. This man has two years to change his ways and to improve his relationship with the children he abused.

It's a good thing, believe me. DHS will see everything! If he doesn't smarten up, then they won't approve reunification!

It's a good thing!

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Has your child been cina'd?

Do they have a guardian adlitem?

Have you call DHS and spoken to the caseworker?

If the children have been adjudged Children in Need of Assistance then the juvenile courts should be handling this. We got ourselves a juvenile court lawyer. However, we were all for therapeutic counselling because it allowed DHS to observe the situation and to offer family therapy.

The system doesn't take it lightly when men abuse children from another relationship. This is the one where they like to step in and take parental rights of the mother for Lack of Parental Care!

Legal advice would be good, but tread carefully with DHS.



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no there have been no meeting with the child and DHS at our home.
I also don't believe they are CINA kids. past info on CINA kids DHS pushes to get the parent back to the kids in less than 14 months I saw this with my 5 year old cousin. They miss a lot of things, in this case they think the meth using grandmother is a great baby sitter - because the mom (cp ) says so.

the ncp has a lawyer but due to the large child support he has to pays and  a $1100 bill that he is still paying down from the con temp charges he was charged with when the child was not returned because of the abusive step father. She got to court first. I don't agree with his move but I as a parent understand why.
my step son was hit and had mark one inch wide by ten inches long -OVER A CHOCOLATE BAR.

 no GAL

no juvenile court lawyer - because the kids did not get in trouble with the law- that was what my hubby was told by juvenile court.

the case worker will no call the NCP back - they believe this is not his issue. I do believe he has rights to know how things are going the cp is not about to let that info out. She would not even tell the ncp where the counseling was so maybe he could voice his concerns to them.
She doe not want to lose my step son he makes her car payment and half the house payment with the child support he brings in. The boy walks around with stained and ripped clothes.


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DHS is NO different to American Families then what the Jews faced with the Nazi's.  

DHS is out of control, non-regulated, have unlimited illegal power, and destroy families permanently.

My point is this, DO NOT trust DHS!


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my step son was hit and had mark one inch wide by ten inches long -OVER A CHOCOLATE BAR

We have a Constitutional right to protect our family!  My advice is seek legal counsel and request a change of custody and use the DHS Report through the Court as a means for meeting the modification criteria.

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Well, and our experience is that my husband has custody, but because our issue involved the mother who was NCP and her son from her first marriage, they did everything they could to PROTECT HER RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CHILDREN over and above my husbands right as a CP and as the father of his twins who were in danger!

However, DHS were able to see all the dysfunctions and ask all the right questions to trip you up, because believe me, people do trip themselves up, then we were able to safely transfer full legal and full physical custody to my husband with 1 hr visitation twice a month for the mother with DHS blessings and the blessings of the juvenile court!

Get your legal advice, listen carefully and make a decision. I always caution to trust DHS a little bit. They do have skills and remember, DHS and the STATE are out to get custodial mothers that allow the boyfriends and stepfathers abuse their children. The world doesnt like that!

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I am trying to have faith but I guess we will just have to wait and see.
my hubby was accused once of abusing his son, where the mother(cp) then took the child out of state for 6 months and he had know idea where they where. it was never reported to CPI.
But her Hubby hurts 2 (breaking the arm of one) of her total of 4 kids and she wants to bring this man back in her home.

I believe she also should face charges.


ps can anyone tell me the time. place and locations of the Tuesday meeting in DM are?

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Well, you say that, that's really bad!

Get your legal advice, make it a good lawyer, even a juvenile one as they know alot about these laws and things too. They all pee in each others pockets, including the lawyers. The juvie lawyer will be onto things too.

Good luck, but remember, you get the advice first, dont just jump.

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Where do you live?

If you live in Des Moines, you can get legal advice from Drake legal services. DHS has their policies on their website. They have everything on there from AtoB on what the policeis are, the interventions required right down to taking away Parental Rights.

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drake is who he had at first whom dragged there feet and gave the mother 30 more days to respond to why she took the child out of state. had they not she would now be the ncp and the abuse would have not happened with my step son.


PS i know the broken arm was true in was in the news paper - that is how we found out it was around thanksgiving / Christmas time 2006.
We have been sitting watching this all unfold since.

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I don't understand that reply? Why would you be reading about it in the newspaper if your husband has regular visitation? I would have thought you would know about it because his son visits and he would have seen for himself and his child probably would have told him something.


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I disagree.. DHS/CPI have there own agenda and are not looking out for the children...  Do not trust that what they are doing is focused on the best interest of the children... Most often they are not trained in what to look for in the children's behavior with anyone... If they have the meeting I would fight to have a professional there to observe, a family coordinator, family investigator... someone who is trained and is not just looking at the best interest of the children according to the gender of the custodial parent...

If you don't protect your children by getting involved.... no one else will...
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Well we must have been lucky in our case then. DHS contracted out to LifeWorks here in Des Moines. We had meetings with them and DHS together, along with the mother and the counselor for the abuser. Just about everyone.

I don't know where you find those professionals that you talk about, unless it's your child's psychologist. This person is saying that they don't have any money, therefore that pretty much dictates what you can do, unless you use DHS wisely. I wouldn't be surprised if LifeWorks is actually the agency working with the family. DHS is usually involved in investigations etc and then work with LifeWorks social workers.

Everyone else, and I mean everyone else works with DHS! Even the GAL does what DHS tells them. We were lucky once and had a GAL, a male for that matter that actually questioned DHS and the took his concerns to us and to the lawyer. It was refreshing, but unusual. I don't know how you fight a state agency when they are not held accountable for anything.

Yes, Drake gave her 30 days, probably because that's the procedure! There are ways to proceed if you want to win, or if the best interests of the child is paramount. Our lawyer told us, that the mother's lawyer was a bad lawyer. So that said volumes! Actually, I think he said he was dumb or stupid.

If Lifeworks is involved, they will be doing what I said below about therapeutic visits. If the father has equal legal rights you must be able to be informed and be part of what is going on. DHS will cut you further and further the more you pee them off. That have that power! You have to use what you have wisely if you don't have the money.

Go back to Drake, and see what else they can do in regards ot having DHS provide information etc.



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we waited the 30  days plus 30 total of 60

the cp has 4 kids
the first is my step son- marks on chest over candy bar
the second is another man's that does not pay support cause he is in jail - She is the one who had a broken arm plus 2 other problems in the past
the last two are the the cp and step father bio-kids ( no abuse on these two)

the cp told my step son - not to tell a sole what happened most of all his father. cp lied to my hubby that she had an appt. on Sunday so could so could we drop off my step son late that day. When really her and her hubby where at the police station, where he was arrested and held for 1 week.

the local Hospital reported the broken arm to CPI and then it was printed in the paper my mother in law called us and read it to us. The mother and step father where both named in the paper! I also had my grandmother save me the article that day.
The four counts of abuse have happened over a full years time.
Cpi even reported the 3rd( this one was of my step son) time how it was likely to happen again. IF so why leave the kids in the care of these two adults?




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You really need legal advice and I'm not a lawyer so I can't possibly advise you. I just really think you have strong reasons to go for custody, but you need more advice.

Good luck.

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first if the courts did what they should do instead of the easy thing to do I'd have custody of my child, so before spending 15G on a suit make sure you have one because unless she is a crack head and even then it's iffy you don't have a chance. There are very few judges who are out to actually do their job instead of just count days untill huge gov pension. And now you have the real posibility of having to pay her attourney fees as well. What will likley happen if you open a case is that you will pay more in child support and nothing will change.


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well advice costs $100 bucks an hour that we don't have. We have a lawyer and when you owe one money no one else will talk to you.  

 thanks to all who responded.

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You can go Pro Se.  If you can not financially obtain a lawyer, and many ncp's can not, I would represent yourself in Court. 


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Bryan
I wish my Hubby could go pro se. He did do it once and well he did not get what he wanted because the mother had a laywer.

He is to the point with his son and this whole mess that he would speak his mind to much and get contemp of court.

Mom also has Bulldog PAM VANDEL as her lawyer - he would get sip to the trash in 30secs or less.

But none the less WE really need to put all extra cash to HIS lawyer bill and do what we can for his son.

thanks to all.

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Have you spoken with Dick Woods? 


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Here's some self-help information also from the US Childwelfare Information Gateway.

It's very informative. This link is directly to the Child Abuse page. It has excellent information and gives the therapeutic intervention explanations and procedures.

http://www.childwelfare.gov/can/index.cfm

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Have you spoken to Dick Woods?


No the name does not ring a bell. can you give me an idea how?
Is he a lawyer or a member here?

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This is something I'd like to know. How many of you guys having problems with visitation/custody/abuse etc had your lawyers order any of these tests procedures done?

The Personality tests show up alot of dysfunctions.

The Play therapy also shows the obervers how you interact with the children and how the children respond. This is especially good for observing the family dynamics and in case of abuse would show alot of the adult traits.

For us, these tests were perfect for a drug addict who operated from a highly dysfunctional level. In my opinion for the way the Des Moines courts work and knowing the way DHS thinks, wording everything very carefully but in so doing, tells the courts alot.

In your case CryRose I don't know if you could get past DHS now. The tests were done with an agency that means tested you. Pamela Vandel was very good at accessing resources for our incomes.

Most importantly, they were neutral and respected Agencies. If the courts respect the sources of the tests and evaluations you have alot of clout.


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Actually, Dick Woods is not a lawyer.  He operates Fathers for Equal Rights and for a small fee, helps fathers represent themselves Pro Se in Court by filing to correct paperwork, etc. He can be reached at 515-277-8789.


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Oops, sorry. I've read his name for a few years now and I thought he was a lawyer.



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Thanks Bryan
I will have hubby give him a call, and see if he can help us.


Update:7-24-07 Mother left marks on this child. She then called my hubby and told he she can no longer take this childs abuse to her other kids(we have not see or heard any abuse to other kids from him) and that she no longer wants wants the fu***ng pr*ck their anymore. He is only TEN!

A tempory order will be done today to keep the child with us!


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now we have more fule for the fire: Lawyer is now paid and we are ready to rock!

Mother got child endangerment charges so Dhs had anagremtn made up for the child to remain wiht us.

Abusive step father was given the other 3 kids.... He is more sane than the mother right now.




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I thought there was a restraining order until 2009. If so then DHS is in violation. It sounds like the other children should be in foster care.


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Per DHS they can change the no contact order when ever they want.  I do not see how DHS should be more powerfull than any judge, but that it what they did.

 Yes it is till May 2009, per Iowa courts online.


I also think the other three kids should have went to foster care, but my opnion does not count.

They wonder how kids get abused over and over or even killed- well here is a prime example how. DHS get a wild idea and well they run with it and really don't think what is BEST for the kids at all.

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That is absolute BS. I would sue DHS if they violated a restaining order based on the psychological damages that facing an abuser at such a young age can cause. Abused children often suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and subjecting them to their abuser is abuse. It would be a reportable offence under the Social Workers Code of Ethics and ground for losing a Social Work License. I would recommend writing a nice letter detailing all of the events including the psychological trauma that your step-child has suffered to the Iowa Social Workers Examination Board and cc it to Director Concannon along with your State Legislature.


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You can't sue DHS for anything. They are exempt from anything and any foul-ups. The govt. knows how to cover their asses.

DHS would probably recommend therapeutic contact and the mother would have to prove that she had received counselling as suggested. She would or you can make sure that she has participated in therapy and has a good level of understanding of what her role was in any abuse etc.

You just make sure you have a juvie lawyer in court on those days and to ask these questions. The juvie lawyer is going to work for you and work with DHS if they believe that you are right. Our lawyer did a good job for us.

If it's a juvenile court thing, ask if you can take it to the district court to have the custody changed etc. See a good lawyer. It won't work unless you get everyone on your side! That's the best way to go.

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you have to play this right and politically correct. DHS has too many powers and too many shitty and powerful social workers to cross them.

You can get what you want by playing the game. There's a way to do this.

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Right now we are doing just that going by the Rules with DHS. Our part is really not that bad just to get the child in school and keep him safe.

The mother has a whole list of stuff to do and honeslty thereapy has not helped her in the last 6 months. I don't know what role she has plaed in the abuse but I know she was there when her daughters arm was broken. If nothing else she did not protect her kids.


Dhs  wants to know when our lawyer is going to file custody papers - so I would guess from that they are on our side, but I am not sure I personaly do not talk to them. Never once has DHS wanted me at a meeting only the bio fathers and mother.



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Well just get those custody papers to court and make sure you have everything spelled out in the decree right down to whatever it is DHS has recommended.

The child doesn't have to commit a crime to go to juvenile court, the child can be the victim and CINA'd and often it's about the parent being the risk not the child.



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DHS is wanting you to file for custody because they have to work off of the concept of unification. If she is the custodian then they have to work towards reunification with her. They will put a list of things for her to do and if she completes them, then the kid goes back.

Her not protecting the child when the arm was broken is "Denial of Critical Care". If founded she will be placed on the Central Abuse Registry.

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Dhs founded the abuse in Feb 2007 only on the step father , I know the mother was at the home that day because the step father and mother where already told  by DHS 6 months before not to leave the kids alone with him.

DHS never tried to get her for denial of critical care on the broken arm and I am not sure why.
So far JCP is not involved and as of yet no CINA paperwork to my knowage had been filed.

Well all I can say is the lawyer better get his job done this week, signed and filed too.




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Update:
all the kids have been taken out of the mothers care.
one with us
one with the grandrparents (the bio-dad is in prision)because step father abused her
the last two are with there father ( the step father to my step son)

mother should have been served on Sep 5th with change of custody papers.
She told Dhs she plans to make this all very tramatic for all the kids.
She missed her durg test. Her mother whom lives with her refuses to take one. Her mom and her attempted to kidnap my step son by taking two cars and hit my mother in law whom at the time had the child.

3rd DHS meeting is set for Oct after our court hearing.



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Very messy isn't it!

How is your stepson? How are you guys?

The way she is going, she'll be a candidate for having her parental rights taken away!

Traumatic for the kids? If she can't have contact, it will help until she sobers up and settles down!

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messy is not the word DRAMA!!!!! that is more like it.


He seems to be ajusting well, we have him in school and still in councling.
 Us as parents where about to kill the lawyer - he worked about as fast as an oversea package comes. But that is done for now.

We start visits with all the kids this weekend, so that will help them all.
I worry about the younger one we saw them last night for like 5 mins and the 2 year old came and gave me a hug like I was family. I see attacment disorder written on that one. I might suggest that she see a play councler soon.

Well so far the mom has no visits with my step son and we have told lawyer we want supervised at the start anyway.

Yes what ever she is on she needs to get off.



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DHS is not in the picture with your son are they?

Do you have the say in visits?

Did you stipulate supervised visits in the custody agreement? Also did you stipulate that parent must be stable and drug free?

Or does none of that worry you?

Glad to hear your son is adjusting well. The counselling is an excellent step and will help tremendously in the long term. The counsellor will also help determine what the boy needs from everyone including his mother.

Good luck!

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Dhs is involved with my step son.

We are very consured about all those things and many more.

All we can do it pray for the best , hope for the least and expect the worse.

The visit with his sisters went well.

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I have to disagree with an earlier post regarding suing DHS.
You can sue DHS, and you can win, I have done it in the past.
Also I tell you as a federal employee, you can sue the federal government, it happens everday, and the majority of cases are settled out of court.

But I have a question regarding allegations of sexual abuse, how much proff do you have to have? I am very concerned that one of my children has and is being abused by an older step sibling (whom I believe has been abused and may still be being abused). I have no concrete evidence other then my childs actions and what my child is telling me.
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Oh my!  How old is the child? 


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my child is 3, and the other child is 9 or 10.
once DHS starts this invistigation, I will be so screwed, I have to work everyday with my ex, her new husband, the other childs mother, the other childs grandmother, and the other childs godmother. Some of these people are in positions above me and can and have caused me problems at work.
The biggest one is the ex's new husband who is the other childs dad, and is the vice president of the union.
I am pretty sure once this starts, I will either lose my job, or they will make me so miserable I leave.

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dalilamakarma

Have you taken your child to the DR. or a counslor?
If you think your child is beening abused in anyway I would say call the local police they will document it and try to talk to the abuser even if it is another minor. They will then ask you to take the child to a Dr. most likely the ER at your local hospital and report it to DHS. Do not wait for it to happen again. If this child is female they can put the child under and see if the hyman(sp) is torn in any way, I have been told even if the child has her menstral cycle it will still be intact.

the reason I told you to call the PD first is if you call child protection they can take days to show up and the will first look at whom is in the childs home full time not where they could have been like ncp for a weekend visit.

Our was just physcial and emotional abuse not sexual.

I would loss my job anyday to save my kids.

Best of luck -keep in touch. My heart goes out to you.


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If it was my kid and I was certain he/she was being abused.  I prolly loose more than my job.


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I'll tell you what concerns me is that d.h.s. has stepped on the feet of the police. The police are suppose to serve and protect our families, why is a crime against a child any different than a crime against and adult, or robbing a store? Since when doesn't the police have the authority to fight crime? This is what makes me so mad about d.h.s, is that now anything to do with a crime against a child has to go throught them first, since when? Show me that law! d.H.S makes it impossible for the police do do their job.


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